Elizabeth Ely has a penchant for telling lies about me. For the most part I have just ignored her over the years. I have been told by several people who know her personally that she is emotionally and mentally unbalanced. Ms. Ely put her unbalanced state of mind on full display back in June of 2014. Reading those increasingly deranged comments fully supports her colleagues’ assertions that Ms. Ely suffers from some sort of mental pathology. I do not know Ms. Ely personally and have never met her, but from my recent experience with her I can say, without hesitation, that Ms. Ely does have an issue with facts, reality and the meaning of the word integrity.

My recent unfortunate experience with Ms. Ely is my own fault. As a result of Ms. Ely’s continuous public assault on my character, I reached out to her via this post in hopes that we could have a rational and mature conversation. My hope was we would find some common ground, Ms. Ely would see me as a human being and as a result would stop spreading lies about me.  Ms. Ely responded and asked me to be a guest on her podcast, How Positive Are You?. As I reported here, that “interview” for her podcast went over like a fart in a space suit. Ms. Ely would ask leading questions and when my responses were not what she wanted to hear she would contradict me, put words in my mouth and then become belligerent when I would call her out on her behavior. She eventually devolved into calling me a sociopath several times as well as lashing out with emotionally angry and false accusations prompting me to hang up on her.

I will not even attempt to correct all the misinformation, distortions and outright lies in that podcast. However, I do want to highlight something that happened after the podcast was posted that perfectly exemplifies Ms. Ely’s shady, duplicitous nature. When I learned that the podcast was finally on-line, I sent Ms. Ely a personal email notifying her that I had requested membership to the HPAY? Facebook page so that I could directly respond to questions from her listeners. I told her I had made the request under the name Newton DeShong. (This is the name of my pet. I have learned from past experience to keep my real name out of any public dealings I have with the AIDS Denialists whenever possible.) I know Ms. Ely received my personal email alerting her to my request because she replied to that email notifying me that she would not approve my request. However, here is what she posted to the HPAY? Facebook page:

Elizabeth Ely

Yesterday at 1:59pm

“Newton DeShong” has been BLOCKED in his attempt to join this group. I have no doubt that he will try other means to get in. Any suspicious activity will be smacked down fast.

Why would Ms. Ely, who claims to be a woman of integrity, post such a deceitful comment on her HPAY facebook page? Why would she feel the need to deceive her readers with such a duplicitous statement? If I am such a horrible person, why would Ms. Ely have to mislead her readers? I will tell you why; just like the parable of the frog and the scorpion, it is in her nature. It is just one more example of her mental pathology. She is simply wired to lie.

Next I will try to clear up some of the gross mischaracterizations and outright lies being perpetuated by Ms. Ely during this so called interview. I originally told Ms. Ely that I wanted to do this interview to find some common ground as human beings in the hopes that both sides could stop treating each other so poorly. She pretended to agree. We communicated several times over the course of several weeks in writing and on the phone and she acted professional, civil and even friendly at times. Once the interview began however, it became obvious that her mission was to ask leading questions in order to manipulate my answers to support her on issues to which we are diametrically opposed. That is not what I meant by common ground. When I did not bend to her will, she became increasingly agitated, emotional and as I stated above, resorted to unprofessional name calling and baseless accusations.

Because I originally wanted to do this interview to clear up the lies that Ms. Ely was spreading about me, I will start at the end of the interview regarding Christine Maggiore.

Christine Maggiore

About a year ago Ms. Ely posted to the Re-Thinking AIDS facebook page that I called Christine Maggiore on the telephone every day for two weeks after her daughter EJ died and called her a murderer. During the interview Ely refused to admit that she ever wrote that because she is a coward and has neither integrity nor conviction. She also said during the interview that I started my first blog, Dissidents4Dumbees, solely as a vehicle to disparage “a dead mother and her dead baby.”  All of that is complete nonsense and Ely made those accusations with nothing to support them. She claimed that someone had told her the lie about me calling Maggiore on the telephone but she refused to reveal any details or specifics regarding the identity of this mysterious person or how they would be privy to such information. And if Ely and Maggiore were such great friends as Ely claims, then whey would Maggiore not convey this information directly to her? Again I will tell you why; they are all lies.

At the end of the podcast Ms. Ely does accurately report that when I wrote D4D I published a post in which I called Maggiore a baby killer. Unfortunately that is true. I have regretted that for many years although I have never attempted to deny it or hide from it. It was not only a poor choice of words; it was also in very bad taste. I can admit that I made a mistake with such an inflammatory choice of words and I have apologized for those words before and I will do so again now: I am sorry that I ever made such a tasteless and tacky statement. It was wrong and I apologize. Yet I do believe that Christine and her husband Robin Scovill are 100% responsible for the death of their daughter Eliza Jane and I stand by that.

HIV Testing

I find it quite funny that Ms. Ely expected me to discuss HIV testing with her. I also find it hysterical that she is so surprised and snarky about it. Ely wrote:

And we’re not talking about those tests and how misleading they are, even though DeShong is a lab professional who runs diagnostic tests for hospitals and says he is working toward a master’s degree in molecular diagnostics. The tests are “off topic,” he says.

Why would I attempt to discuss this topic with a woman who has no education or experience in this field and yet proudly perpetuates her arrogance of ignorance with statements like this:

The basic fact is there is no reliable test for HIV.

I would never discuss this subject with Ms. Ely for the same reason that I would not walk up to a brick wall and repeatedly slam my head into it hoping to create a window and catch a nice breeze.

Bobby Russell Case

I acquiesced on this subject and told Ms. Ely that I do support Bobby Russell. That is true. I support Mr. Russell’s right to file this lawsuit and to follow it until it comes to whatever conclusion is appropriate. The only issue I ever had with this case was the supposed participation of OMSJ. Bobby Russell told me himself that Baker declined to help him financially. After I reported that fact and the post got a great deal of publicity, Mr. Baker claimed that he had actually donated $100,000 to the case. When I brought up this contradiction to Ms. Ely and wondered why Mr. Baker would then abandon Mr. Russell when a paltry 12 Grand would continue the appeal, Ms. Ely had no plausible response.

Clark Baker & OMSJ

I told Ms. Ely that I was not comfortable discussing the lawsuit between me and Mr. Baker without Mr. Baker present. I also explained that I should not discuss the case while it was still on-going. Despite my protesting Ms. Ely forged ahead and in doing so she proved once again that her arrogance of ignorance is her driving force. Oh, and she is lazy when it comes to preparing for an interview.

First Ms. Ely claimed that the lawsuit was legitimate because I had “hijacked” Mr. Baker’s trademarked name by making it part of the url for my website. I explained to Ms. Ely that the case law was on my side and that it was perfectly legal to incorporate the subject of criticism for a critical website. I tried to explain to her that I was certain about this because I had been deeply involved in this litigation for almost two years. Even though I had already won arbitration and had a Federal judge dismiss the suit, Ms. Ely would not hear of it. Even when I explained that I was represented by two of the top attorneys in this country and explained who they are, Ms. Ely would not believe me. This is arrogance of ignorance.

I explained to Ms. Ely that I was represented by two of the best attorneys in the country. Paul Levy has argued and won cases before the U.S. Supreme Court. Gill Sperlein works with Mark Randazza, arguably the best First Amendment attorney in the country. Because Ms. Ely is smarter than everyone, she continued to argue with me and say that I had never actually won the lawsuit “because it never went to trial.”  She also said some nonsense about the case bouncing between judges. Yeah, Ms. Ely is quite the legal scholar.

The last thing I will mention is about OMSJ’s supposed winning track record. Ms. Ely continued to contradict me when I explained that I had researched and meticulously detailed that Mr. Baker was being less than truthful with his claim that he has been 100% successful. My research proves that 33% of the cases are completely fabricated. Ms. Ely protested but she did not provide even one specific example. She knew this was going to be a big part of the interview so why did she not do her own research and find at least one specific example on my blog where I was wrong and why? Again, she feels that whatever she says is true and there is no need for facts or proof.

This extreme arrogance regarding the law mirrors her arrogance regarding HIV science. In her pathological brain, whatever she believes trumps actual facts by actual experts in both fields. This is just not the way a person with a healthy mind or integrity behaves.